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You mean there was some technical limitation that caused corruption, or it was done intentionally, as an 'undocumented feature'?  Anybody with more than 20 gigs of mail in outlook needs a whack upside the head! lol "20 gigs ought to be enough for anyone"  That is exactly what I've done, using autoarchive set to 18 months. Works fine, although I think they just leave it open all the time.. at least it's a separate file. My concerns with this come in when we start talking about Exchange.. when you use PST's in conjunction with exchange, there are a few problems as I see it - your PST are stored locally, on the client system and are therefore not backed up as the server is.. also when using OWA, anything contained in your PST would not be available. Right? The 16GB limit in Exchange standard is going to be a problem, unless I can seriously pare down some people! Unfortunately, many of these people are the very same ones who need convincing that Exchange is worthwhile, and having to jump through hoops to make it work for them will not help with the convincing! They are also the same people who are most likely to want access to all their stuff through OWA. Mail only gets bigger.. I would hate to bring Ex. online only to need a new license for Enterprise in 6 months. Am I crazy here, or is 16 gigs very little storage for 50 people who use it heavily? Thanks "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > Yes, the previous version of the Outlook .pst file was hard coded to corrupt > at 2 gigs, but it started to go at about 1.8. > > Glad you are using the new format - Unicode is correct - but be aware that > it has a practical limit of 20 gigs in this iteration. > > Have you tried archiving for your people who keep a long history of > information for contracts, vendors, etc? Have them archive the folders to > an archive .pst file and then open the file when they need something from 2 > or so years ago. > > -- > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... > | All my users and I are using Outlook 2003 now, and when upgrading I let > | outlook create a new 2003-format PST file and imported the old PST, so > it'd > | be in the new format. (unicode I think it's called?) > | > | I had read about 'issues' when nearing the 2GB mark in previous versions.. > | what exactly is the problem with this? Does Outlook 2002 and previous have > a > | hard limit at 2GB? I have one user who has about 2.8GB now, without any > | apparent issues.. another at about 2.2GB.. I split them both > approximately > | 50/50 with autoarchive even though there didn't seem to be any problems. > | > | I haven't installed Exchange yet, this is partly why.. I have about 50 > | users, and about half a dozen of them are very heavy storage. I have > talked > | with them about it, and I can't say it's entirely unjustified either, for > | example the materials manager keeps copies of everything they send to > | vendors relating to purchase orders for contractual purposes, including > | design attachments and such.. > | > | If only there was an 'easy' way to go through people's mail and > permanently > | delete spam and such.. I'm sure there's alot of wasted storage in people's > | deleted items folders comprised of spam! > | > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" > | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | news:(E-Mail Removed)... > | > I would start reducing that word .pst file as it will begin to show > | problems > | > just about now and will be completely unusable at about 1.8 gigs or so. > | Do > | > some radical archiving, empty your deleted items, archive your sent > | > messages, and remove attachments from mail. Otherwise, you are in for a > | > world of hurt. > | > > | > Unless you are using Outlook 2003, that is. > | > > | > -- > | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > | > > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > | > > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | 63MB is not that large.. I have 400MB at home, over 1.5GB at work.. > | > Outlook > | > | performs just fine! > | > | > | > | When you archive/delete things the space is not automatically > | recovered.. > | > | you have to 'compact' the PST to get the space recovered. Right-click > | on > | > | the 'Personal Folders' heading and click 'properties'. Then click > | > | 'advanced' and 'compact now' to shrink the file. > | > | > | > | > | > | "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | > | news:1ab9b01c41ead$9670b200$(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | > Hello, outlook (XP) is beginning to perform sluggishly > | > | > and I noticed the .pst file is now a wopping 63 MB! I ran > | > | > a complete autoarchive and removed unused folders. I > | > | > emptied the trash folder. The file is still 63 MB! I can > | > | > remember when it was 5MB. Does anyone know if this is > | > | > normal? I have quite a few calendar itmes and contacts, > | > | > but surely not 63 MB worth - any ideas? BTW, after > | > | > archiving, the archive.pst file grew to 17 MB, but the > | > | > outlook.pst file remains at 63 MB. What's goping on here? > | > | > > | > | > Thanks, > | > | > Chris > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > > |
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It was based on system requirements and the default partition limit of 2
gigs when Outlook first came out. It was not a design decision, but a design constraint. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... | | You mean there was some technical limitation that caused corruption, or it | was done intentionally, as an 'undocumented feature'? | | Anybody with more than 20 gigs of mail in outlook needs a whack upside the | head! lol "20 gigs ought to be enough for anyone" | | That is exactly what I've done, using autoarchive set to 18 months. Works | fine, although I think they just leave it open all the time.. at least it's | a separate file. My concerns with this come in when we start talking about | Exchange.. when you use PST's in conjunction with exchange, there are a few | problems as I see it - your PST are stored locally, on the client system and | are therefore not backed up as the server is.. also when using OWA, anything | contained in your PST would not be available. Right? | | The 16GB limit in Exchange standard is going to be a problem, unless I can | seriously pare down some people! Unfortunately, many of these people are the | very same ones who need convincing that Exchange is worthwhile, and having | to jump through hoops to make it work for them will not help with the | convincing! They are also the same people who are most likely to want | access to all their stuff through OWA. Mail only gets bigger.. I would hate | to bring Ex. online only to need a new license for Enterprise in 6 months. | Am I crazy here, or is 16 gigs very little storage for 50 people who use it | heavily? | | Thanks | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > Yes, the previous version of the Outlook .pst file was hard coded to | corrupt | > at 2 gigs, but it started to go at about 1.8. | > | > Glad you are using the new format - Unicode is correct - but be aware that | > it has a practical limit of 20 gigs in this iteration. | > | > Have you tried archiving for your people who keep a long history of | > information for contracts, vendors, etc? Have them archive the folders to | > an archive .pst file and then open the file when they need something from | 2 | > or so years ago. | > | > -- | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] | > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. | > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... | > | All my users and I are using Outlook 2003 now, and when upgrading I let | > | outlook create a new 2003-format PST file and imported the old PST, so | > it'd | > | be in the new format. (unicode I think it's called?) | > | | > | I had read about 'issues' when nearing the 2GB mark in previous | versions.. | > | what exactly is the problem with this? Does Outlook 2002 and previous | have | > a | > | hard limit at 2GB? I have one user who has about 2.8GB now, without | any | > | apparent issues.. another at about 2.2GB.. I split them both | > approximately | > | 50/50 with autoarchive even though there didn't seem to be any problems. | > | | > | I haven't installed Exchange yet, this is partly why.. I have about 50 | > | users, and about half a dozen of them are very heavy storage. I have | > talked | > | with them about it, and I can't say it's entirely unjustified either, | for | > | example the materials manager keeps copies of everything they send to | > | vendors relating to purchase orders for contractual purposes, including | > | design attachments and such.. | > | | > | If only there was an 'easy' way to go through people's mail and | > permanently | > | delete spam and such.. I'm sure there's alot of wasted storage in | people's | > | deleted items folders comprised of spam! | > | | > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | > | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > | news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > I would start reducing that word .pst file as it will begin to show | > | problems | > | > just about now and will be completely unusable at about 1.8 gigs or | so. | > | Do | > | > some radical archiving, empty your deleted items, archive your sent | > | > messages, and remove attachments from mail. Otherwise, you are in for | a | > | > world of hurt. | > | > | > | > Unless you are using Outlook 2003, that is. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] | > | > | > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. | > | > | > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in | message | > | > news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > | 63MB is not that large.. I have 400MB at home, over 1.5GB at work.. | > | > Outlook | > | > | performs just fine! | > | > | | > | > | When you archive/delete things the space is not automatically | > | recovered.. | > | > | you have to 'compact' the PST to get the space recovered. | Right-click | > | on | > | > | the 'Personal Folders' heading and click 'properties'. Then click | > | > | 'advanced' and 'compact now' to shrink the file. | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > | > | news:1ab9b01c41ead$9670b200$(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > | > Hello, outlook (XP) is beginning to perform sluggishly | > | > | > and I noticed the .pst file is now a wopping 63 MB! I ran | > | > | > a complete autoarchive and removed unused folders. I | > | > | > emptied the trash folder. The file is still 63 MB! I can | > | > | > remember when it was 5MB. Does anyone know if this is | > | > | > normal? I have quite a few calendar itmes and contacts, | > | > | > but surely not 63 MB worth - any ideas? BTW, after | > | > | > archiving, the archive.pst file grew to 17 MB, but the | > | > | > outlook.pst file remains at 63 MB. What's goping on here? | > | > | > | > | > | > Thanks, | > | > | > Chris | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | | |
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Oh, and to answer your other concerns, for an organization with heavy mail
users like yours, Enterprise Exchange Licensing is pretty much the obvious way to go. From what you say, your users would probably fill 75% of the available Exchange store off the bat. Why try like heck to sell them on this solution, have the solution fail (due to mail storage) after 3 months and then try to upsell them? I say go whole hog or not at all. Anything less than Enterprise will fail. Yes, anything stored in a .pst file would be unavailable via OWA. OWA is a view of the Exchange store, not anything else. If you wanted to give your people both an Exchange mailbox and .pst files (not a good idea in the same profile), you could also institute a VPN solution for access to their system files and folders. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... | | You mean there was some technical limitation that caused corruption, or it | was done intentionally, as an 'undocumented feature'? | | Anybody with more than 20 gigs of mail in outlook needs a whack upside the | head! lol "20 gigs ought to be enough for anyone" | | That is exactly what I've done, using autoarchive set to 18 months. Works | fine, although I think they just leave it open all the time.. at least it's | a separate file. My concerns with this come in when we start talking about | Exchange.. when you use PST's in conjunction with exchange, there are a few | problems as I see it - your PST are stored locally, on the client system and | are therefore not backed up as the server is.. also when using OWA, anything | contained in your PST would not be available. Right? | | The 16GB limit in Exchange standard is going to be a problem, unless I can | seriously pare down some people! Unfortunately, many of these people are the | very same ones who need convincing that Exchange is worthwhile, and having | to jump through hoops to make it work for them will not help with the | convincing! They are also the same people who are most likely to want | access to all their stuff through OWA. Mail only gets bigger.. I would hate | to bring Ex. online only to need a new license for Enterprise in 6 months. | Am I crazy here, or is 16 gigs very little storage for 50 people who use it | heavily? | | Thanks | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > Yes, the previous version of the Outlook .pst file was hard coded to | corrupt | > at 2 gigs, but it started to go at about 1.8. | > | > Glad you are using the new format - Unicode is correct - but be aware that | > it has a practical limit of 20 gigs in this iteration. | > | > Have you tried archiving for your people who keep a long history of | > information for contracts, vendors, etc? Have them archive the folders to | > an archive .pst file and then open the file when they need something from | 2 | > or so years ago. | > | > -- | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] | > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. | > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... | > | All my users and I are using Outlook 2003 now, and when upgrading I let | > | outlook create a new 2003-format PST file and imported the old PST, so | > it'd | > | be in the new format. (unicode I think it's called?) | > | | > | I had read about 'issues' when nearing the 2GB mark in previous | versions.. | > | what exactly is the problem with this? Does Outlook 2002 and previous | have | > a | > | hard limit at 2GB? I have one user who has about 2.8GB now, without | any | > | apparent issues.. another at about 2.2GB.. I split them both | > approximately | > | 50/50 with autoarchive even though there didn't seem to be any problems. | > | | > | I haven't installed Exchange yet, this is partly why.. I have about 50 | > | users, and about half a dozen of them are very heavy storage. I have | > talked | > | with them about it, and I can't say it's entirely unjustified either, | for | > | example the materials manager keeps copies of everything they send to | > | vendors relating to purchase orders for contractual purposes, including | > | design attachments and such.. | > | | > | If only there was an 'easy' way to go through people's mail and | > permanently | > | delete spam and such.. I'm sure there's alot of wasted storage in | people's | > | deleted items folders comprised of spam! | > | | > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | > | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > | news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > I would start reducing that word .pst file as it will begin to show | > | problems | > | > just about now and will be completely unusable at about 1.8 gigs or | so. | > | Do | > | > some radical archiving, empty your deleted items, archive your sent | > | > messages, and remove attachments from mail. Otherwise, you are in for | a | > | > world of hurt. | > | > | > | > Unless you are using Outlook 2003, that is. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] | > | > | > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. | > | > | > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in | message | > | > news:(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > | 63MB is not that large.. I have 400MB at home, over 1.5GB at work.. | > | > Outlook | > | > | performs just fine! | > | > | | > | > | When you archive/delete things the space is not automatically | > | recovered.. | > | > | you have to 'compact' the PST to get the space recovered. | Right-click | > | on | > | > | the 'Personal Folders' heading and click 'properties'. Then click | > | > | 'advanced' and 'compact now' to shrink the file. | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message | > | > | news:1ab9b01c41ead$9670b200$(E-Mail Removed)... | > | > | > Hello, outlook (XP) is beginning to perform sluggishly | > | > | > and I noticed the .pst file is now a wopping 63 MB! I ran | > | > | > a complete autoarchive and removed unused folders. I | > | > | > emptied the trash folder. The file is still 63 MB! I can | > | > | > remember when it was 5MB. Does anyone know if this is | > | > | > normal? I have quite a few calendar itmes and contacts, | > | > | > but surely not 63 MB worth - any ideas? BTW, after | > | > | > archiving, the archive.pst file grew to 17 MB, but the | > | > | > outlook.pst file remains at 63 MB. What's goping on here? | > | > | > | > | > | > Thanks, | > | > | > Chris | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | | |
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I agree completely, which is why I haven't bothered implementing my Standard
yet... in fact, if I add up all the PST files, it totals about 14.8 Gigs! That's too close to 16 for comfort. Here's what happened.. about 2 years ago, we went through an extensive selection process for an ERP system. Included in that were the backend products, including Windows server, SQL server, and (although not required directly for ERP, we slid it under the umbrella) Exchange. At the time, the 16 gig limit was distant, and I chose Standard edition. Then, the bean counters sat on it, and on it went.. then, mid-december, the stuff we had selected almost 2 years ago, started rolling in the door! Accounting / upper management had released the PO's and ordered all the stuff, without consulting anybody.. it didn't matter for most stuff, but I would have liked to review the storage needs for exchange.. and you can see why! The standard we now own it practically useless, and now of course *I* am the one that needs to explain why we have to throw away a license worth $1500, and spend another $5000 on the RIGHT one! Nobody even questioned the purchase before, when it was lumped into the grand scheme of things, but now it will be extremely difficult to sell the product internally at all.. That's why I'm trying to work out a solution that will let me use what I have for now, and then once people are used to it, and see the benefits, it should be much easier to justify the upgrade. At least the CAL's are portable between editions! I have tried VPN connections to access PST file, but we're talking about some big PST's here.. it's horribly slow and completely unusable.. Thanks for your help Milly "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > Oh, and to answer your other concerns, for an organization with heavy mail > users like yours, Enterprise Exchange Licensing is pretty much the obvious > way to go. From what you say, your users would probably fill 75% of the > available Exchange store off the bat. Why try like heck to sell them on > this solution, have the solution fail (due to mail storage) after 3 months > and then try to upsell them? I say go whole hog or not at all. Anything > less than Enterprise will fail. > > Yes, anything stored in a .pst file would be unavailable via OWA. OWA is a > view of the Exchange store, not anything else. If you wanted to give your > people both an Exchange mailbox and .pst files (not a good idea in the same > profile), you could also institute a VPN solution for access to their system > files and folders. > > -- > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | You mean there was some technical limitation that caused corruption, or it > | was done intentionally, as an 'undocumented feature'? > | > | Anybody with more than 20 gigs of mail in outlook needs a whack upside the > | head! lol "20 gigs ought to be enough for anyone" > | > | That is exactly what I've done, using autoarchive set to 18 months. Works > | fine, although I think they just leave it open all the time.. at least > it's > | a separate file. My concerns with this come in when we start talking > about > | Exchange.. when you use PST's in conjunction with exchange, there are a > few > | problems as I see it - your PST are stored locally, on the client system > and > | are therefore not backed up as the server is.. also when using OWA, > anything > | contained in your PST would not be available. Right? > | > | The 16GB limit in Exchange standard is going to be a problem, unless I can > | seriously pare down some people! Unfortunately, many of these people are > the > | very same ones who need convincing that Exchange is worthwhile, and having > | to jump through hoops to make it work for them will not help with the > | convincing! They are also the same people who are most likely to want > | access to all their stuff through OWA. Mail only gets bigger.. I would > hate > | to bring Ex. online only to need a new license for Enterprise in 6 months. > | Am I crazy here, or is 16 gigs very little storage for 50 people who use > it > | heavily? > | > | Thanks > | > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" > | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | news:(E-Mail Removed)... > | > Yes, the previous version of the Outlook .pst file was hard coded to > | corrupt > | > at 2 gigs, but it started to go at about 1.8. > | > > | > Glad you are using the new format - Unicode is correct - but be aware > that > | > it has a practical limit of 20 gigs in this iteration. > | > > | > Have you tried archiving for your people who keep a long history of > | > information for contracts, vendors, etc? Have them archive the folders > to > | > an archive .pst file and then open the file when they need something > from > | 2 > | > or so years ago. > | > > | > -- > | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > | > > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > | > > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | All my users and I are using Outlook 2003 now, and when upgrading I > let > | > | outlook create a new 2003-format PST file and imported the old PST, so > | > it'd > | > | be in the new format. (unicode I think it's called?) > | > | > | > | I had read about 'issues' when nearing the 2GB mark in previous > | versions.. > | > | what exactly is the problem with this? Does Outlook 2002 and previous > | have > | > a > | > | hard limit at 2GB? I have one user who has about 2.8GB now, without > | any > | > | apparent issues.. another at about 2.2GB.. I split them both > | > approximately > | > | 50/50 with autoarchive even though there didn't seem to be any > problems. > | > | > | > | I haven't installed Exchange yet, this is partly why.. I have about 50 > | > | users, and about half a dozen of them are very heavy storage. I have > | > talked > | > | with them about it, and I can't say it's entirely unjustified either, > | for > | > | example the materials manager keeps copies of everything they send to > | > | vendors relating to purchase orders for contractual purposes, > including > | > | design attachments and such.. > | > | > | > | If only there was an 'easy' way to go through people's mail and > | > permanently > | > | delete spam and such.. I'm sure there's alot of wasted storage in > | people's > | > | deleted items folders comprised of spam! > | > | > | > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" > | > | <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | > | news:(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | > I would start reducing that word .pst file as it will begin to show > | > | problems > | > | > just about now and will be completely unusable at about 1.8 gigs or > | so. > | > | Do > | > | > some radical archiving, empty your deleted items, archive your sent > | > | > messages, and remove attachments from mail. Otherwise, you are in > for > | a > | > | > world of hurt. > | > | > > | > | > Unless you are using Outlook 2003, that is. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > | > | > > | > | > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > | > | > > | > | > "Jason McClellan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in > | message > | > | > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | > | 63MB is not that large.. I have 400MB at home, over 1.5GB at > work.. > | > | > Outlook > | > | > | performs just fine! > | > | > | > | > | > | When you archive/delete things the space is not automatically > | > | recovered.. > | > | > | you have to 'compact' the PST to get the space recovered. > | Right-click > | > | on > | > | > | the 'Personal Folders' heading and click 'properties'. Then click > | > | > | 'advanced' and 'compact now' to shrink the file. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > | > | > | news:1ab9b01c41ead$9670b200$(E-Mail Removed)... > | > | > | > Hello, outlook (XP) is beginning to perform sluggishly > | > | > | > and I noticed the .pst file is now a wopping 63 MB! I ran > | > | > | > a complete autoarchive and removed unused folders. I > | > | > | > emptied the trash folder. The file is still 63 MB! I can > | > | > | > remember when it was 5MB. Does anyone know if this is > | > | > | > normal? I have quite a few calendar itmes and contacts, > | > | > | > but surely not 63 MB worth - any ideas? BTW, after > | > | > | > archiving, the archive.pst file grew to 17 MB, but the > | > | > | > outlook.pst file remains at 63 MB. What's goping on here? > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Thanks, > | > | > | > Chris > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > > |
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