I can't seem to get either of these tools to work. 05 won't even install
(when I double click the installer, it never appears) and 06 installs but
then can't find a DirectX file. Do I need to install DX9 to get these to
work? Can DX9 coexist with DX10 in Vista?

Nah - DirectX 10 is in there by default but will have backwards
compatibility to work with DirectX 9.0c and previous versions.

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"ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:89AFBA09-8296-4744-835B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I can't seem to get either of these tools to work. 05 won't even install
> (when I double click the installer, it never appears) and 06 installs but
> then can't find a DirectX file. Do I need to install DX9 to get these to
> work? Can DX9 coexist with DX10 in Vista?

Actually, I installed DX9 from the installer found on microsoft.com and 3DM06
now works fine. *shrug* Huge drop from my XP score though: 14xx vs 26xx
(don't remember exactly).

"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

> Nah - DirectX 10 is in there by default but will have backwards
> compatibility to work with DirectX 9.0c and previous versions.
>
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> Zack Whittaker
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> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:89AFBA09-8296-4744-835B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I can't seem to get either of these tools to work. 05 won't even install
> > (when I double click the installer, it never appears) and 06 installs but
> > then can't find a DirectX file. Do I need to install DX9 to get these to
> > work? Can DX9 coexist with DX10 in Vista?
>
>
>

Interesting. I think this tells us that the drivers on XP have built in
cheats to fake-optimized performance for 3D Mark while the Vista drivers
which are new and clean lack these cheats and thus show the real score. If
you pick some very obscure non-popular game, or perhaps create a benchmark
yourself, does it show similar drop? If so then one might argue the Vista
drivers aren't yet optimized or that Vista is slowing the general
performance.

Given the past tendencies of ATI/NVIDIA to cheat at the scores of popular
games and benchmarks I wouldn't be surprised if visual quality of games on
Vista is as the game developers intended, not as ATI/NVIDIA optimized it to
be.


"ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:EEEB8AAB-0F54-4C08-820D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Actually, I installed DX9 from the installer found on microsoft.com and
> 3DM06
> now works fine. *shrug* Huge drop from my XP score though: 14xx vs 26xx
> (don't remember exactly).
>
> "Zack Whittaker" wrote:
>
>> Nah - DirectX 10 is in there by default but will have backwards
>> compatibility to work with DirectX 9.0c and previous versions.
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
>> that up!
>>
>> --: Original message follows :--
>> "ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:89AFBA09-8296-4744-835B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I can't seem to get either of these tools to work. 05 won't even install
>> > (when I double click the installer, it never appears) and 06 installs
>> > but
>> > then can't find a DirectX file. Do I need to install DX9 to get these
>> > to
>> > work? Can DX9 coexist with DX10 in Vista?
>>
>>
>>

It's possible as well that XP is optimized as much as it can be and Vista
still has a lot of optimization to go through. Not to mention the resource
overhead of the OS is more than XP and you may be hitting that threshold
quicker and easier as a result. Driver optimization is a big part as well.

We'll see how it goes.

I ran the test and got 8326 as opposed to the 9979 in XP. Interestingly
enough I got 7935 on my CPU score which was more then 3000 better than in
XP. So my graphics are driving me down but I'm certain it's the slack
drivers I have for my 7900 GTX. As well my Aquamark 3 scores have fallen
off a bit. I'm looking for to a driver update for sure, heheh.


"droid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eN02d$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Interesting. I think this tells us that the drivers on XP have built in
> cheats to fake-optimized performance for 3D Mark while the Vista drivers
> which are new and clean lack these cheats and thus show the real score. If
> you pick some very obscure non-popular game, or perhaps create a benchmark
> yourself, does it show similar drop? If so then one might argue the Vista
> drivers aren't yet optimized or that Vista is slowing the general
> performance.
>
> Given the past tendencies of ATI/NVIDIA to cheat at the scores of popular
> games and benchmarks I wouldn't be surprised if visual quality of games on
> Vista is as the game developers intended, not as ATI/NVIDIA optimized it
> to be.
>
>
> "ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:EEEB8AAB-0F54-4C08-820D-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Actually, I installed DX9 from the installer found on microsoft.com and
>> 3DM06
>> now works fine. *shrug* Huge drop from my XP score though: 14xx vs 26xx
>> (don't remember exactly).
>>
>> "Zack Whittaker" wrote:
>>
>>> Nah - DirectX 10 is in there by default but will have backwards
>>> compatibility to work with DirectX 9.0c and previous versions.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we
>>> cleared
>>> that up!
>>>
>>> --: Original message follows :--
>>> "ravisurdhar" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:89AFBA09-8296-4744-835B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >I can't seem to get either of these tools to work. 05 won't even
>>> >install
>>> > (when I double click the installer, it never appears) and 06 installs
>>> > but
>>> > then can't find a DirectX file. Do I need to install DX9 to get these
>>> > to
>>> > work? Can DX9 coexist with DX10 in Vista?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>