Is it possible to connect three SATA hard drives to the P4C-800E Deluxe if
none of them will be RAID?

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Peter wrote:

| Is it possible to connect three SATA hard drives to the P4C-800E Deluxe if
| none of them will be RAID?
|
No.

SATA connectors are a single drive per connections, SATA1/2 will give
you two connections (either RAID (Intel) or No Raid), but the other two
connections SATA_RAID1/2 are *just* for RAID use, you cannot use them as
non-raid devices.
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Since I'm half in the process of setting up my new system on the P4C800 E
Deluxe, am I correct in setting up my single WD 36G Raptor SATA drive on the
Intel SATA 1 connection to use as my system drive, and connecting both my
Maxtor 120G SATA drives on the Promise controller to use in a RAID 0
configuration? I'm guessing that's correct, yes?

MT


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> | Is it possible to connect three SATA hard drives to the P4C-800E Deluxe
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> | none of them will be RAID?
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> No.
>
> SATA connectors are a single drive per connections, SATA1/2 will give
> you two connections (either RAID (Intel) or No Raid), but the other two
> connections SATA_RAID1/2 are *just* for RAID use, you cannot use them as
> non-raid devices.
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:51:33 GMT, Philip Callan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>Peter wrote:
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>| Is it possible to connect three SATA hard drives to the P4C-800E Deluxe if
>| none of them will be RAID?
>|
>No.
>
>SATA connectors are a single drive per connections, SATA1/2 will give
>you two connections (either RAID (Intel) or No Raid), but the other two
>connections SATA_RAID1/2 are *just* for RAID use, you cannot use them as
>non-raid devices.

Is it possible to connect one of my 3 to the RAID controller on P4C-800E
Deluxe? Can you have RAID with only one drive?


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MT wrote:
| Since I'm half in the process of setting up my new system on the P4C800 E
| Deluxe, am I correct in setting up my single WD 36G Raptor SATA drive
on the
| Intel SATA 1 connection to use as my system drive, and connecting both my
| Maxtor 120G SATA drives on the Promise controller to use in a RAID 0
| configuration? I'm guessing that's correct, yes?
|

Yes, if you have a SATA device you want to run non-raid, then SATA1 is
where you would hook it up.

And a 120G SATAs on SATA_RAID1/2 is where you would hook them to build a
raid. (You can also build a raid using SATA1/2 and the Intel raid
controller as well, the 0/1/0+1 options on this board are nice.

| MT
hth
Philip
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Peter wrote:
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| Is it possible to connect one of my 3 to the RAID controller on P4C-800E
| Deluxe? Can you have RAID with only one drive?
|

Uhhhm.. No. Hence the full term 'Redundant Array of Independant Discs'

You can run RAID 0, with no redundancy, but in answer to your question,
no you cannot build a RAID with a single drive.

Now for the reality check:

I have a P4C800-E, I have a single 120G Seagate SATA drive which I boot
from and my OS is on, and another 120G Maxtor PATA for storage.

I record TV with my AIW, I capture Analog footage via my AIW, I transfer
MiniDV footage from my camcorder via Firewire, and on occassion have
used the Analog->DV convertor build into my camera to capture a analog
source via Firewire.

I've used Adobe Preimere 6.5 mostly, with an occassional foray with
Microshaft Movie Maker (spit spit)

And in all my capturing including DV/Firewire which are going to be some
of the most disk intensive, I still drop 0 frames.

Now, in a little over 13 years servicing computers, Ive have had more
clients computers die or fail to work MORE often due to Faulty PSU,
Faulty RAM, Faulty CPU, than a HD failure.

The advent of S.M.A.R.T. and other features have allowed people to use
drives with higher capacities without running raid, because while sudden
failures arent predictable, things like rotational speed, # of
transmission errors etc are predictable, and SMART will watch for the
'top 5 signs of HD aging' and give you plenty of time to migrate to a
new HD.

Running a RAID 0 will actually wear your drives out faster. Sure you'll
get better BENCHMARKS, and maybe a fps or two here or there, unless your
running a business server (web/files/DB) I still dont see a *valid*
reason for consumer RAID at the moment.

Thats not to say I'm ANTI-RAID, after all its a good feature, and one of
the reasons I got the P4C800-E *was* just for all the versatile RAID
options offered, difference being that if I start to run it, it would
either be Raid 1 or 0+1 depending on how many users I'll have tasking
the HDs

Just my 2 cents
Philip





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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:56:20 GMT, Philip Callan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>Peter wrote:
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>|
>| Is it possible to connect one of my 3 to the RAID controller on P4C-800E
>| Deluxe? Can you have RAID with only one drive?
>|
>
>Uhhhm.. No. Hence the full term 'Redundant Array of Independant Discs'
>
>You can run RAID 0, with no redundancy, but in answer to your question,
>no you cannot build a RAID with a single drive.
>
>Now for the reality check:
>
>I have a P4C800-E, I have a single 120G Seagate SATA drive which I boot
>from and my OS is on, and another 120G Maxtor PATA for storage.
>
> <snip>
>
>Just my 2 cents
>Philip

Philip - Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to do is have three
physical hard drives without running RAID. Any way to do this with the
P4C-800E Deluxe?

Peter

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I dont know if the P4C800-E deluxe is so much different as the P4C800
deluxe.
I have 4 hd's connected to the promise controler on my P4C800 deluxe.
2X SATA and 2X ATA.
In the bios i have a option to set the promisecontroler to normal IDE.
They run fine without raid.


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> Peter wrote:
> |
> |
> | Is it possible to connect one of my 3 to the RAID controller on P4C-800E
> | Deluxe? Can you have RAID with only one drive?
> |
>
> Uhhhm.. No. Hence the full term 'Redundant Array of Independant Discs'
>
> You can run RAID 0, with no redundancy, but in answer to your question,
> no you cannot build a RAID with a single drive.
>
> Now for the reality check:
>
> I have a P4C800-E, I have a single 120G Seagate SATA drive which I boot
> from and my OS is on, and another 120G Maxtor PATA for storage.
>
> I record TV with my AIW, I capture Analog footage via my AIW, I transfer
> MiniDV footage from my camcorder via Firewire, and on occassion have
> used the Analog->DV convertor build into my camera to capture a analog
> source via Firewire.
>
> I've used Adobe Preimere 6.5 mostly, with an occassional foray with
> Microshaft Movie Maker (spit spit)
>
> And in all my capturing including DV/Firewire which are going to be some
> of the most disk intensive, I still drop 0 frames.
>
> Now, in a little over 13 years servicing computers, Ive have had more
> clients computers die or fail to work MORE often due to Faulty PSU,
> Faulty RAM, Faulty CPU, than a HD failure.
>
> The advent of S.M.A.R.T. and other features have allowed people to use
> drives with higher capacities without running raid, because while sudden
> failures arent predictable, things like rotational speed, # of
> transmission errors etc are predictable, and SMART will watch for the
> 'top 5 signs of HD aging' and give you plenty of time to migrate to a
> new HD.
>
> Running a RAID 0 will actually wear your drives out faster. Sure you'll
> get better BENCHMARKS, and maybe a fps or two here or there, unless your
> running a business server (web/files/DB) I still dont see a *valid*
> reason for consumer RAID at the moment.
>
> Thats not to say I'm ANTI-RAID, after all its a good feature, and one of
> the reasons I got the P4C800-E *was* just for all the versatile RAID
> options offered, difference being that if I start to run it, it would
> either be Raid 1 or 0+1 depending on how many users I'll have tasking
> the HDs
>
> Just my 2 cents
> Philip
>
>
>
>
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Peter wrote:

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| Philip - Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to do is have three
| physical hard drives without running RAID. Any way to do this with the
| P4C-800E Deluxe?
|
| Peter
|

Oh thats easy just not 3 physical SATA drives.

You have a grand total on the P4C800-E of get this, 10 theoretical
connections although the 9th and 10th will become a single drive.

IDE1 MAster/Slave (2 HD)
IDE2 MAster/Slave (2 HD)
IDE_RAID can be used to run 2 NON-ATAPI (ie no cd drives) HD's in non
raid modes (JBOD) (2HD)

SATA1 - (1 HD)
SATA2 - (1 HD) (or SATA1 & 2 = RAID once again)
SATA_RAID1 & 2 = (2 drives, but only one disk as far as OS is concerned,
but its RAID, and youve asked about non-raid, so ignore these two ports,
unlike the IDE_RAID header which can run in a non-raid mode, the
SATA_RAID headers can only be used if running RAID.

Like I said, I dont run raid, right now its:

IDE1 Master: GSA-4040B LG DVD-R
IDE1 Slave: CRW-5224A ASUS CD-RW
IDE2 Master: Maxtor 120G PATA
IDE2 Slave: None
IDE3 (SATA1) : Seagate 120G SATA

with no raid functions in use, I can simply add another drive to
increase my storage, either a PATA drive on IDE 2 as slave, or another
SATA drive on SATA 2.

while still keeping the IDE_RAID open, as well as SATA_RAID

More likely that I will go SATA if I choose to raid.
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Yes, you can do that. The Promise controller can run in either RAID mode or
standard drive controller mode.

Also, you can build a RAID Array with a single drive, although it buys you
nothing, except the ability to use the drive on a RAID controller that has
no other mode of operation other than RAID (NOT the case on the P4C800-E Dlx
board.)


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