I just put in a new and powerful video card. I already had 4 ide devices
inside the comp, so it got hot anyway, though not to the point where it was
dangerous. I have a fan on top of cpu chip and a front panel fan. If I put a
new one on the back of the comp right above the pci slots, will that mess up
air flow? Or will it help?

"Wilson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:t7hmf.70130$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I just put in a new and powerful video card. I already had 4 ide devices
>inside the comp, so it got hot anyway, though not to the point where it was
>dangerous. I have a fan on top of cpu chip and a front panel fan. If I put
>a new one on the back of the comp right above the pci slots, will that mess
>up air flow? Or will it help?
>
It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of your
case.

"Peter van der Goes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:trhmf.38699>>
> It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of
> your case.

How do I do that? Turn the fan around and aim it toward the back of the comp
instead of into the middle? There really is no outlet in the back to run air
out the back.

Also, couldn't I just leave one of the side panels off the comp if I wanted
air to get out? My case has only a small hole showing on one side of the
comp when I remove the side panel. So the noise is not bad at all.

In article <eRhmf.48505$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Wilson"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> "Peter van der Goes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:trhmf.38699>>
> > It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of
> > your case.
>
> How do I do that? Turn the fan around and aim it toward the back of the comp
> instead of into the middle? There really is no outlet in the back to run air
> out the back.
>
> Also, couldn't I just leave one of the side panels off the comp if I wanted
> air to get out? My case has only a small hole showing on one side of the
> comp when I remove the side panel. So the noise is not bad at all.

The side should be on the case, to "define" the airflow. If
removing the side on the case, you would want a large room fan
blowing on the computer, to simulate how effective it is to have
the side on the case. If placing the side on the computer case
makes the internal air hotter, there are not enough fans or
intake/exhaust vent area to match them. (The original Antec
Sonata doesn't have enough intake vents, for example.)

Airflow goes in on one end of the computer, and out the other.
Arrange the fans so they don't fight that relationship.

The sum of the CFM ratings of the intake fans should match the
sum of the CFM ratings of the exhaust fans. That will help a
bit with dust.

A classic configuration is like this. Air comes in at the front of the
case, down low, and is exhausted from the back, a bit higher than the
intake fan. The disadvantage of this configuration, is the two drives
in the upper drive trays are not getting any airflow. And hard drives
are the most sensitive element, from a reliability perspective, so
do the best for them first.

|\/ PSU Drive1 |
|/\ Drive2 |
| |
|\/ Exhaust |
|/\ fan |
| Intake \/ |
| fan /\ |
|-------------------------|
(rear) (front)

Depending on the computer case, there may be a lower drive bay. There
may also be a vent on the front of the computer. Moving the hard drives
only (don't have to do the CD or DVD) into the lower bay, as long as
there is a vent and some incoming net airflow, is one improvement.

|\/ PSU |
|/\ |
| |
|\/ Exhaust |
|/\ fan |
| Drive1 \/ | <--- Intake vent is most important
| Drive2 /\ | <--- Intake fan is optional
|-------------------------| (Fan to the left of the drives
(rear) (front) would be less effective.)

With an older case, I have also done this. Placed a fan on the
exterior of the computer case, to blow air directly onto the
drives. The older case only has an upper drive bay. The older
case also did not have an exhaust fan on the back, only the PSU.
By removing a couple of PCI slot plates, it is possible to make an
exhaust vent for the air to escape. The processor in this machine
is low power, so it doesn't get too hot in any case. The cooling
on this case, is actually pretty good, even though there is only
one useful fan (the front one) at work.

|\/ PSU Drive1 | \/ <--- External intake on custom
|/\ Drive2 | /\ <--- metal frame
| CDROM |
| |
<--- (removed |
| PCI slot |
<--- plates) |
|-------------------------|
(rear) (front)

Using a duct plus blowhole on the side of the computer case,
raises the question of how it affects the rest of the airflow.
If the blowhole is an intake port, the blowhole fan is fighting
against the fan or passive vent that is cooling the hard drives.
If the blowhole is an exhaust port, it may end up working against
the CPU fan, which blows onto the motherboard. (Reversing the
CPU fan is not always possible, or desirable.) I don't see an
easy answer there, as to what to do. If a CPU ducting scheme had
its own intake and exhaust holes, then it would not affect the
rest of the airflow.

"Go with the flow" is the rule of thumb :-)

HTH,
Paul

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:50:09 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (Paul) wrote:

snip
>
>Airflow goes in on one end of the computer, and out the other.
>Arrange the fans so they don't fight that relationship.
>
>The sum of the CFM ratings of the intake fans should match the
>sum of the CFM ratings of the exhaust fans. That will help a
>bit with dust.

Intuitively, one would think that having positive or neutral pressure
inside the case (by having more or bigger intake fans than exhaust
fans) would lessen dust accumulation, and I think ones intuition would
be correct. Studies and user experience, however, have shown that
negative pressure (more exhaust than intake fans) gives the best
cooling. Cases very commonly come from the factory with one more
exhaust than intake fan. This is not an important point, though,
unless the case is very hot and leading to actual problems with the
computer, as in heavy overclocking situations. It's entirely possible
to get adequate air flow and good cooling with neutral pressure inside
the case. I always have negative pressure and simply plan to do a
little housecleaning from time to time. With FILTERS on the intake
fan(s), I've found dust to be no problem. (Of course, I don't live
next to a dirt road in a house with open windows ;-) YMMV.)

http://www.xoxide.com/computer-cooling.html

http://tinyurl.com/ch4xc

snip

Ron

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:12:09 GMT, milleron
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

<SNIP>

>be correct. Studies and user experience, however, have shown that
>negative pressure (more exhaust than intake fans) gives the best
>cooling.

Yep, I tried it the other way, my CPU went up 5C at idle, I didn't like
that. I have air filter on my case so dust is really no problem.
Ed

"Wilson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eRhmf.48505$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Peter van der Goes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:trhmf.38699>>
>> It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of
>> your case.
>
> How do I do that? Turn the fan around and aim it toward the back of the
> comp instead of into the middle? There really is no outlet in the back to
> run air out the back.
>
> Also, couldn't I just leave one of the side panels off the comp if I
> wanted air to get out? My case has only a small hole showing on one side
> of the comp when I remove the side panel. So the noise is not bad at all.
>
If your case has no mounting point for an exhaust fan, and you have mounted
a fan where there *should* be a mount point for an exhaust fan, the fan
could make things worse.
I want to be sure I have the picture correct here:
You mounted a fan on the upper back wall of your case where there are no
holes (in the case wall) for airflow?
If that is correct, all the fan will do is recirculate already hot air.
You might want to consider a new case which has fan mounts needed for proper
air circulation for modern processors, or consider some Dremel mototool
surgery.

In article <eRhmf.48505$(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> "Peter van der Goes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:trhmf.38699>>
> > It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of
> > your case.
>
> How do I do that? Turn the fan around and aim it toward the back of the comp
> instead of into the middle? There really is no outlet in the back to run air
> out the back.
>
If there is no outlet in the back to exhaust air through, how are you
going to install a fan?

> Also, couldn't I just leave one of the side panels off the comp if I wanted
> air to get out? My case has only a small hole showing on one side of the
> comp when I remove the side panel. So the noise is not bad at all.
>
>

Can you produce a picture of this case from somewhere on the Internet,
or give us the manufacturer and model number?

If I were you, I'd seriously be thinking of a new case. This one
doesn't sound like it's going to meet your cooling requirements.

Bill

Wilson wrote:
> "Peter van der Goes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:trhmf.38699>>
>
>>It should help a lot, if you've installed it to exhaust hot air out of
>>your case.
>
>
> How do I do that? Turn the fan around and aim it toward the back of the comp
> instead of into the middle? There really is no outlet in the back to run air
> out the back.
>

What you might want to try is a slot fan. They fit in the back in one
of the slot covers. I had one installed in the slot under my video card
on my previous case. It lowered the temperature enough for the video
card to quit overheating and causing games to crash. I could feel the
heat of the air being exhausted by the fan when running games.


> Also, couldn't I just leave one of the side panels off the comp if I wanted
> air to get out? My case has only a small hole showing on one side of the
> comp when I remove the side panel. So the noise is not bad at all.
>
>

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:12:41 -0600, "Wilson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I just put in a new and powerful video card. I already had 4 ide devices
> inside the comp, so it got hot anyway, though not to the point where it was
> dangerous. I have a fan on top of cpu chip and a front panel fan. If I put a
> new one on the back of the comp right above the pci slots, will that mess up
> air flow? Or will it help?

I've put one of those "fans on a card" next to my video card. It extracts hot air from around the
heatsink/fan on the video card and dumps it out the back of the computer. It really does a good
job.