I bought a Dell computer bundled with Microsoft XP 2002
for small business. I received the disks with the
computer. Can I load my other computer with XP 2002
software and activate it. Friends informed me I can not
because XP 2002 (Microsoft) does not permit mutiple use.
Please advise. Thank you.

Mark

Hello

I don't understand this licensing issue. If bought on machine A, and
machine A say literally blows up, and is totally destroyed and user buys
machine B. why can he not install office on machine B. He paid for it on ONE
machine, not many-I understand that. But why can't that one machine be a
different one. And do not tell me it is cost of OEM software. It was paid
for by the customer, even if at a lower cost than if he went out and bought
a "retail " version. It should be useable on one machine, even if that one
machine is different many times.

If the policy is otherwise, then, IMHO Microsoft is dead wrong, or you are
misinterpreting the policy, I bought a new "white box" computer with a
properly purchased OEM version of Win XP Pro. It is possible that I will
haft to replace a 'bad" motherboard. Do you mean to tell me that I will
haft to buy another copy of XP because the motherboard changed. This was
stated in another post on this forum. I thnk it is incorrect. The issue
in the license is one installation on one machine. As long as that is
adhered to, it should not matter if that one machine changes, as long as the
"old" machine does not contain a copy of that software, or cannot as in the
case of a bad motherboard, or an old machine that is retired and the
software is removed from the old machine.

respectfully,

Richard not MVP but PH.D.


"Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small Business
> editon... which is considered OEM and can only be activated on a single
PC.
> Once activated, it cannot be installed on another PC even if uninstalled
> from the first. It is forever tied to that first PC.
>
> Cari
> www.coribright.com
>
> "Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I bought a Dell computer bundled with Microsoft XP 2002
> > for small business. I received the disks with the
> > computer. Can I load my other computer with XP 2002
> > software and activate it. Friends informed me I can not
> > because XP 2002 (Microsoft) does not permit mutiple use.
> > Please advise. Thank you.
> >
> > Mark
>
>

Richard Marshall wrote:

> Hello
>
> I don't understand this licensing issue. If bought on machine A, and
> machine A say literally blows up, and is totally destroyed and user buys
> machine B. why can he not install office on machine B. He paid for it on ONE
> machine, not many-I understand that. But why can't that one machine be a
> different one. And do not tell me it is cost of OEM software. It was paid
> for by the customer, even if at a lower cost than if he went out and bought
> a "retail " version. It should be useable on one machine, even if that one
> machine is different many times.
>
> If the policy is otherwise, then, IMHO Microsoft is dead wrong, or you are
> misinterpreting the policy, I bought a new "white box" computer with a
> properly purchased OEM version of Win XP Pro. It is possible that I will
> haft to replace a 'bad" motherboard. Do you mean to tell me that I will
> haft to buy another copy of XP because the motherboard changed. This was
> stated in another post on this forum. I thnk it is incorrect. The issue
> in the license is one installation on one machine. As long as that is
> adhered to, it should not matter if that one machine changes, as long as the
> "old" machine does not contain a copy of that software, or cannot as in the
> case of a bad motherboard, or an old machine that is retired and the
> software is removed from the old machine.
>
> respectfully,
>
> Richard not MVP but PH.D.
>
>
> "Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small Business
>>editon... which is considered OEM and can only be activated on a single
>
> PC.
>
>>Once activated, it cannot be installed on another PC even if uninstalled
>>from the first. It is forever tied to that first PC.
>>
>>Cari
>>www.coribright.com
>>
>>"Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>>I bought a Dell computer bundled with Microsoft XP 2002
>>>for small business. I received the disks with the
>>>computer. Can I load my other computer with XP 2002
>>>software and activate it. Friends informed me I can not
>>>because XP 2002 (Microsoft) does not permit mutiple use.
>>>Please advise. Thank you.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>
>
>

AFAIK, M$ does not mind if you replace the hardware as long as you
only use one PC at a time for that one license.

But there is a support issue: with an OEM license, support is the
responsibility of the hardware vendor (not M$). If the replacement
hardware is from a different vendor, then you are not entitled to
support from anybody.
--
Cheers, Bob

Greetings --

Remember, you have not purchased the software or operating system;
all you have "purchased" is a license (in plain English, the software
manufacturer's permission) to use the software in accordance with the
terms of that license.

OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft has
greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are _permanently_
bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An OEM license,
once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under
any circumstances.

What, precisely, don't you understand? When you purchased the OEM
license, _you_ agreed to be bound by its terms. Are you now saying
that your given word is no good?


Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Richard Marshall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello
>
> I don't understand this licensing issue. If bought on machine A,
and
> machine A say literally blows up, and is totally destroyed and user
buys
> machine B. why can he not install office on machine B. He paid for
it on ONE
> machine, not many-I understand that. But why can't that one machine
be a
> different one. And do not tell me it is cost of OEM software. It
was paid
> for by the customer, even if at a lower cost than if he went out and
bought
> a "retail " version. It should be useable on one machine, even if
that one
> machine is different many times.
>
> If the policy is otherwise, then, IMHO Microsoft is dead wrong, or
you are
> misinterpreting the policy, I bought a new "white box" computer with
a
> properly purchased OEM version of Win XP Pro. It is possible that I
will
> haft to replace a 'bad" motherboard. Do you mean to tell me that I
will
> haft to buy another copy of XP because the motherboard changed.
This was
> stated in another post on this forum. I thnk it is incorrect. The
issue
> in the license is one installation on one machine. As long as that
is
> adhered to, it should not matter if that one machine changes, as
long as the
> "old" machine does not contain a copy of that software, or cannot as
in the
> case of a bad motherboard, or an old machine that is retired and the
> software is removed from the old machine.
>
> respectfully,
>
> Richard not MVP but PH.D.
>
>
> "Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small
Business
> > editon... which is considered OEM and can only be activated on a
single
> PC.
> > Once activated, it cannot be installed on another PC even if
uninstalled
> > from the first. It is forever tied to that first PC.
> >
> > Cari
> > www.coribright.com
> >
> > "Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I bought a Dell computer bundled with Microsoft XP 2002
> > > for small business. I received the disks with the
> > > computer. Can I load my other computer with XP 2002
> > > software and activate it. Friends informed me I can not
> > > because XP 2002 (Microsoft) does not permit mutiple use.
> > > Please advise. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> >
>
>

No,

What I am saying is that you are wrong, period. And common sense has to
prevail. If the first machine is non existent or the software is removed
permanently then the license allows under a "common sense" interpretation
use on another machine. It makes no-sense to pay for the same software
twice, period. Use your brain, instead of being a parrot. If I sound
harsh, I mean to be. All the software I use ( and have used since 1983) is
paid for and/or used under the terms of the license. If I buy Office 2003
and run on my computer and next year junk my old machine, I should be able
to use it on my new machine, along with the OS I paid for, which no longer
exists on the old machine.

Do not accuse people who you do not know of going back on their word. To ask
me or anyone else to pay for software twice is stupid and unnecessary and is
not IMO part of the license agreement and would unlikely not stand up in a
court challenge. And the situation is very unlikely to arise where it would
be tested, so this argument is a bit academic anyway.

I agree that use on a second machine in addition to the first is a clear
violation of the license agreement, if the license agreement limits use to
one machine.

Richard

"Bruce Chambers" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Greetings --
>
> Remember, you have not purchased the software or operating system;
> all you have "purchased" is a license (in plain English, the software
> manufacturer's permission) to use the software in accordance with the
> terms of that license.
>
> OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
> motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft has
> greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are _permanently_
> bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An OEM license,
> once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under
> any circumstances.
>
> What, precisely, don't you understand? When you purchased the OEM
> license, _you_ agreed to be bound by its terms. Are you now saying
> that your given word is no good?
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Richard Marshall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello
> >
> > I don't understand this licensing issue. If bought on machine A,
> and
> > machine A say literally blows up, and is totally destroyed and user
> buys
> > machine B. why can he not install office on machine B. He paid for
> it on ONE
> > machine, not many-I understand that. But why can't that one machine
> be a
> > different one. And do not tell me it is cost of OEM software. It
> was paid
> > for by the customer, even if at a lower cost than if he went out and
> bought
> > a "retail " version. It should be useable on one machine, even if
> that one
> > machine is different many times.
> >
> > If the policy is otherwise, then, IMHO Microsoft is dead wrong, or
> you are
> > misinterpreting the policy, I bought a new "white box" computer with
> a
> > properly purchased OEM version of Win XP Pro. It is possible that I
> will
> > haft to replace a 'bad" motherboard. Do you mean to tell me that I
> will
> > haft to buy another copy of XP because the motherboard changed.
> This was
> > stated in another post on this forum. I thnk it is incorrect. The
> issue
> > in the license is one installation on one machine. As long as that
> is
> > adhered to, it should not matter if that one machine changes, as
> long as the
> > "old" machine does not contain a copy of that software, or cannot as
> in the
> > case of a bad motherboard, or an old machine that is retired and the
> > software is removed from the old machine.
> >
> > respectfully,
> >
> > Richard not MVP but PH.D.
> >
> >
> > "Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small
> Business
> > > editon... which is considered OEM and can only be activated on a
> single
> > PC.
> > > Once activated, it cannot be installed on another PC even if
> uninstalled
> > > from the first. It is forever tied to that first PC.
> > >
> > > Cari
> > > www.coribright.com
> > >
> > > "Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I bought a Dell computer bundled with Microsoft XP 2002
> > > > for small business. I received the disks with the
> > > > computer. Can I load my other computer with XP 2002
> > > > software and activate it. Friends informed me I can not
> > > > because XP 2002 (Microsoft) does not permit mutiple use.
> > > > Please advise. Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On 19-Sep-2003, "Richard Marshall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I agree that use on a second machine in addition to the first is a clear
> violation of the license agreement, if the license agreement limits use to
> one machine.

I've had some overlap as my old machine still has a copy of my program for a
couple of weeks until I am satisfied everything is working correctly on the new
machine. Again, this is common sense - it's sort of a back-up (allowable), and
it is not permanent.

Some software will allow one user to have the program on many computers - as
long as he is the only user of that software. Others allow multiple users on
the same machine (for instance a server).

I am bound by the terms of the OEM EULA. My OEM XP was
bought bound to a piece of hardware. The hardware is a data
cable that is stored with the paperwork and the original XP CDROM.
The final say in the EULA is as follows.

* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not
be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time
on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated
on the Certificate of Authenticity. You may permit a
maximum of ten (10) ("Connection Maximum") computers
or other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect
to the COMPUTER to utilize the services of the SOFTWARE
solely for File and Print services, Internet Information
services, and remote access (including connection sharing
and telephony services). The ten (10) Connection Maximum
includes any indirect connections made through
"multiplexing" or other software or hardware which pools
or aggregates connections. Except as otherwise permitted
below, you may not use the Device to use, access, display
or run the SOFTWARE, the SOFTWARE's
User Interface or other executable software residing
on the COMPUTER.

Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED,
TRANSFERRED TO OR USED CONCURRENTLY
ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. If the
SOFTWARE is not accompanied by new HARDWARE, you may
not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all
of your rights under this EULA only as part of a
permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE, provided
you retain no copies, if you transfer all of the SOFTWARE
(including all component parts, the media and printed
materials, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate
of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms
of this EULA. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any
transfer must also include all prior versions of the
SOFTWARE.

Bruce Chambers wrote:
| Greetings --
|
| Remember, you have not purchased the software or operating system;
| all you have "purchased" is a license (in plain English, the software
| manufacturer's permission) to use the software in accordance with the
| terms of that license.
|
| OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
| motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft has
| greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are _permanently_
| bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An OEM license,
| once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under
| any circumstances.
|
| What, precisely, don't you understand? When you purchased the OEM
| license, _you_ agreed to be bound by its terms. Are you now saying
| that your given word is no good?
|
|
| Bruce Chambers
|
|
| "Richard Marshall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| news:(E-Mail Removed)...
|| Richard not MVP but PH.D.
||
||
|| "Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
|| news:(E-Mail Removed)...
||| I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small
||| Business editon... which is considered OEM and can only be
||| activated on a single PC. Once activated, it cannot be installed on
||| another PC even if uninstalled from the first. It is forever tied
||| to that first PC.
|||
||| Cari
||| www.coribright.com
|||
||| "Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
||| news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...

--
Tampa Bay RR

Go back to that Eula and read the part where it says hardware is defined as
the computer if purchased with separate hardware.
This is what locks it to the first PC permanently.

--
Larry Samuels MS-MVP (Windows-Shell/User)
Associate Expert
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://home.earthlink.net/~larrysamuels/WS2003FAQ.htm
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am bound by the terms of the OEM EULA. My OEM XP was
> bought bound to a piece of hardware. The hardware is a data
> cable that is stored with the paperwork and the original XP CDROM.
> The final say in the EULA is as follows.
>
> * Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
> provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
> display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on
> the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not
> be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time
> on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated
> on the Certificate of Authenticity. You may permit a
> maximum of ten (10) ("Connection Maximum") computers
> or other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect
> to the COMPUTER to utilize the services of the SOFTWARE
> solely for File and Print services, Internet Information
> services, and remote access (including connection sharing
> and telephony services). The ten (10) Connection Maximum
> includes any indirect connections made through
> "multiplexing" or other software or hardware which pools
> or aggregates connections. Except as otherwise permitted
> below, you may not use the Device to use, access, display
> or run the SOFTWARE, the SOFTWARE's
> User Interface or other executable software residing
> on the COMPUTER.
>
> Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS
> LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED,
> TRANSFERRED TO OR USED CONCURRENTLY
> ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. The SOFTWARE
> is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
> product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. If the
> SOFTWARE is not accompanied by new HARDWARE, you may
> not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all
> of your rights under this EULA only as part of a
> permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE, provided
> you retain no copies, if you transfer all of the SOFTWARE
> (including all component parts, the media and printed
> materials, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate
> of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms
> of this EULA. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any
> transfer must also include all prior versions of the
> SOFTWARE.
>
> Bruce Chambers wrote:
> | Greetings --
> |
> | Remember, you have not purchased the software or operating system;
> | all you have "purchased" is a license (in plain English, the software
> | manufacturer's permission) to use the software in accordance with the
> | terms of that license.
> |
> | OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
> | motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft has
> | greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are _permanently_
> | bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An OEM license,
> | once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under
> | any circumstances.
> |
> | What, precisely, don't you understand? When you purchased the OEM
> | license, _you_ agreed to be bound by its terms. Are you now saying
> | that your given word is no good?
> |
> |
> | Bruce Chambers
> |
> |
> | "Richard Marshall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> || Richard not MVP but PH.D.
> ||
> ||
> || "Cari MS-MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> || news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> ||| I am presuming you somehow are referring to the Office XP Small
> ||| Business editon... which is considered OEM and can only be
> ||| activated on a single PC. Once activated, it cannot be installed on
> ||| another PC even if uninstalled from the first. It is forever tied
> ||| to that first PC.
> |||
> ||| Cari
> ||| www.coribright.com
> |||
> ||| "Mark Anthony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> ||| news:09b901c37e59$099a1d70$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> --
> Tampa Bay RR
>
>

Greetings --

I see you conveniently omitted the part of the EULA that clearly
defines the hardware as the entire computer, once the hardware
component has been installed:

'The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the
HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer
system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
system component.'

"...The SOFTWARE is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. .... You may
permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part
of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE,...."


Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am bound by the terms of the OEM EULA. My OEM XP was
> bought bound to a piece of hardware. The hardware is a data
> cable that is stored with the paperwork and the original XP CDROM.
> The final say in the EULA is as follows.
>

Folks,

Are we still playing this silly game. Common sense should win on both sides
of this issue, as long as the end user is using the software on one machine,
if that is the intent of the license, and the software was legally
purchased, etc. Grow-up folks. Microsoft is not going to go after or stop a
user from using its software if it is not a clear practical violation of its
agreements, and if MS did it would never live down the adverse publicity.

Richard
"Bruce Chambers" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Greetings --
>
> I see you conveniently omitted the part of the EULA that clearly
> defines the hardware as the entire computer, once the hardware
> component has been installed:
>
> 'The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the
> HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer
> system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
> system component.'
>
> "...The SOFTWARE is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
> product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. .... You may
> permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part
> of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE,...."
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> --
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having both at once. -- RAH
>
>
> "Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I am bound by the terms of the OEM EULA. My OEM XP was
> > bought bound to a piece of hardware. The hardware is a data
> > cable that is stored with the paperwork and the original XP CDROM.
> > The final say in the EULA is as follows.
> >
>
>