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brymcv
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      4th Nov 2003
Can a Windows 2003 TS license server support a 2000
Terminal Server and issue licenses in "per user" mode?

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Vera Noest [MVP]
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      4th Nov 2003
A 2003 TS Licensing server can handle both W2K and 2003 TS CALs.
If you install 2003 TS CALs, you can use them to access a W2K TS,
but only as Per Device Ts CALs.

From Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...licensing/pric
licfaq.mspx

<quote>
Q. Can I downgrade a TS CAL for use on a Windows 2000 terminal
server?
A. Yes. You may downgrade Windows Server 2003 TS CALs. However,
both TS User and Device CALs will act as device-based CALs when
accessing a Windows 2000 terminal server, as TS User CALs are not
supported.


Q. How do I designate Windows Server 2003 TS User or Device CALs
or Windows 2000 TS CALs?
A. During set-up, the Terminal Server Licensing Management (TSLM)
will prompt you to choose.
</quote>

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"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Can a Windows 2003 TS license server support a 2000
> Terminal Server and issue licenses in "per user" mode?
>
> Thanks

 
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brymcv
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      6th Nov 2003
Thank you for the great answer.

My next question is, If you set up a 2003 License server
and a 2003 TS with Citrix. If you set up the license to
use "per user" licensing, and are using Citrix anonomous
users... how does that work..

The same 15-20 user names get used, but multiple users are
connecting as those users.... Does this violate the
license agreement? This would make it easier to use with
Citrix as it kind of matches the concurrent licensing
Citrix uses.

Thanks

>-----Original Message-----
>A 2003 TS Licensing server can handle both W2K and 2003

TS CALs.
>If you install 2003 TS CALs, you can use them to access a

W2K TS,
>but only as Per Device Ts CALs.
>
>From Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...owtobuy/licens

ing/pric
>licfaq.mspx
>
><quote>
>Q. Can I downgrade a TS CAL for use on a Windows 2000

terminal
>server?
>A. Yes. You may downgrade Windows Server 2003 TS CALs.

However,
>both TS User and Device CALs will act as device-based

CALs when
>accessing a Windows 2000 terminal server, as TS User CALs

are not
>supported.
>
>
>Q. How do I designate Windows Server 2003 TS User or

Device CALs
>or Windows 2000 TS CALs?
>A. During set-up, the Terminal Server Licensing

Management (TSLM)
>will prompt you to choose.
></quote>
>
> --
>Vera Noest
>MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
> --- please respond in newsgroup ---
>
>"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:0e6901c3a2fa$ca0206c0$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Can a Windows 2003 TS license server support a 2000
>> Terminal Server and issue licenses in "per user" mode?
>>
>> Thanks

>.
>

 
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Vera Noest [MVP]
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      6th Nov 2003
I don't really know.
Your use of Citrix is not really important in this question, the
same question could be asked if you had one generic user account
for multiple users, like a lot of schools have in a classroom
setup, or libraries with public-access computers.

What complicates the story is this:
Per User TS CALs were build-in to the OS in a very late stage.
The 2003 TS Licensing server cannot handle them correctly, so
currently Per User CALs are unmanaged.
This means that when a TS server is set to accept User CALs it
will look to the license server to make sure that one is available
but it will not be decremented from the database.
It is your responsibility to have a valid User CAL for every user
that uses the terminal server.

I have no idea *how* the LS will differentiate between users, when
this functionality is build into the next release (SP?) of the TS
Licensing service.

It sounds as if your setup might violate the EULA, but I'm unsure.

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"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:0df201c3a48e$d9442920$(E-Mail Removed):

> Thank you for the great answer.
>
> My next question is, If you set up a 2003 License server
> and a 2003 TS with Citrix. If you set up the license to
> use "per user" licensing, and are using Citrix anonomous
> users... how does that work..
>
> The same 15-20 user names get used, but multiple users are
> connecting as those users.... Does this violate the
> license agreement? This would make it easier to use with
> Citrix as it kind of matches the concurrent licensing
> Citrix uses.
>
> Thanks
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>A 2003 TS Licensing server can handle both W2K and 2003

> TS CALs.
>>If you install 2003 TS CALs, you can use them to access a

> W2K TS,
>>but only as Per Device Ts CALs.
>>
>>From Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...owtobuy/licens

> ing/pric
>>licfaq.mspx
>>
>><quote>
>>Q. Can I downgrade a TS CAL for use on a Windows 2000

> terminal
>>server?
>>A. Yes. You may downgrade Windows Server 2003 TS CALs.

> However,
>>both TS User and Device CALs will act as device-based

> CALs when
>>accessing a Windows 2000 terminal server, as TS User CALs

> are not
>>supported.
>>
>>
>>Q. How do I designate Windows Server 2003 TS User or

> Device CALs
>>or Windows 2000 TS CALs?
>>A. During set-up, the Terminal Server Licensing

> Management (TSLM)
>>will prompt you to choose.
>></quote>
>>
>> --
>>Vera Noest
>>MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>>http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
>> --- please respond in newsgroup ---
>>
>>"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>news:0e6901c3a2fa$ca0206c0$(E-Mail Removed):
>>
>>> Can a Windows 2003 TS license server support a 2000
>>> Terminal Server and issue licenses in "per user" mode?
>>>
>>> Thanks

 
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brymcv
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      6th Nov 2003

We have a conference call with MS on Monday, so I will
bring this issue up there and see what they say and post
what they say.

Thanks for the reply.


>-----Original Message-----
>I don't really know.
>Your use of Citrix is not really important in this

question, the
>same question could be asked if you had one generic user

account
>for multiple users, like a lot of schools have in a

classroom
>setup, or libraries with public-access computers.
>
>What complicates the story is this:
>Per User TS CALs were build-in to the OS in a very late

stage.
>The 2003 TS Licensing server cannot handle them

correctly, so
>currently Per User CALs are unmanaged.
>This means that when a TS server is set to accept User

CALs it
>will look to the license server to make sure that one is

available
>but it will not be decremented from the database.
>It is your responsibility to have a valid User CAL for

every user
>that uses the terminal server.
>
>I have no idea *how* the LS will differentiate between

users, when
>this functionality is build into the next release (SP?)

of the TS
>Licensing service.
>
>It sounds as if your setup might violate the EULA, but

I'm unsure.
>
> --
>Vera Noest
>MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
> --- please respond in newsgroup ---
>
>"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:0df201c3a48e$d9442920$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Thank you for the great answer.
>>
>> My next question is, If you set up a 2003 License

server
>> and a 2003 TS with Citrix. If you set up the license

to
>> use "per user" licensing, and are using Citrix

anonomous
>> users... how does that work..
>>
>> The same 15-20 user names get used, but multiple users

are
>> connecting as those users.... Does this violate the
>> license agreement? This would make it easier to use

with
>> Citrix as it kind of matches the concurrent licensing
>> Citrix uses.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>A 2003 TS Licensing server can handle both W2K and 2003

>> TS CALs.
>>>If you install 2003 TS CALs, you can use them to access

a
>> W2K TS,
>>>but only as Per Device Ts CALs.
>>>
>>>From Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv.../howtobuy/lice

ns
>> ing/pric
>>>licfaq.mspx
>>>
>>><quote>
>>>Q. Can I downgrade a TS CAL for use on a Windows 2000

>> terminal
>>>server?
>>>A. Yes. You may downgrade Windows Server 2003 TS CALs.

>> However,
>>>both TS User and Device CALs will act as device-based

>> CALs when
>>>accessing a Windows 2000 terminal server, as TS User

CALs
>> are not
>>>supported.
>>>
>>>
>>>Q. How do I designate Windows Server 2003 TS User or

>> Device CALs
>>>or Windows 2000 TS CALs?
>>>A. During set-up, the Terminal Server Licensing

>> Management (TSLM)
>>>will prompt you to choose.
>>></quote>
>>>
>>> --
>>>Vera Noest
>>>MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>>>http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
>>> --- please respond in newsgroup ---
>>>
>>>"brymcv" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>>news:0e6901c3a2fa$ca0206c0$(E-Mail Removed):
>>>
>>>> Can a Windows 2003 TS license server support a 2000
>>>> Terminal Server and issue licenses in "per user" mode?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks

>.
>

 
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