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128GB FAT32 Volume with a 32K cluster size

 
 
Tim
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      3rd May 2004
Hello,

Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way around
this besides having to use Win98.
Also I was told for multi track audio recording to use
FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is when
in the format window it ask for allocation unit size, if
I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster size?

Please help

 
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Al Dykes
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      3rd May 2004
In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way around
>this besides having to use Win98.
>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to use
>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is when
>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size, if
>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster size?
>
>Please help
>



Use NTFS.

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      3rd May 2004
Al,

Even for multi track audio recording, ie: 30 80mb files
streaming???

and what about
>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

if
>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

size?


>-----Original Message-----
>In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way around
>>this besides having to use Win98.
>>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to use
>>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is when
>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

if
>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

size?
>>
>>Please help
>>

>
>
>Use NTFS.
>
>--
>Al Dykes
>-----------
>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>.
>

 
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Al Dykes
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      3rd May 2004
In article <7b2401c43136$cf68bf80$(E-Mail Removed)>,
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Al,
>
>Even for multi track audio recording, ie: 30 80mb files
>streaming???
>


I don't know why not. Doesn't the fact that there is a 4GB/file limit
in FAT32 make FAT32 a deadend for video editing ?

File system copmpression is one if the underappreciated features of
NTFS. Turn the compression attribute on for the drive (or folder(s))
that have your data. It will trasparently compress and decompress your
data streams. I've been using it for 10 years, and seen compressions
as high as 20:1 (admitedly for huge, files that had nothing but the
numbers and whitespace.) The is no downside to compression of files
that are written or extended. Files that are updated (ie databases)
are not a good idea. It will work (I've done it) but inserting data
will get weird.

Right Mouse Click/Properties on a file or folder and will show you the
size, and size on disk.



>and what about
>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>if
>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>size?
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>>>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way around
>>>this besides having to use Win98.
>>>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to use
>>>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is when
>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>if
>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>size?
>>>
>>>Please help
>>>

>>
>>
>>Use NTFS.
>>
>>--
>>Al Dykes
>>-----------
>>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>>.
>>



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-----------
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Tim
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      3rd May 2004
Well I am actually doing multi track audio not video.
Example, I have 30 stereo audio tracks playing, each
track is a different file, and I am recording on 2 tracks
at the same time.
Right now I am running NTFS, and I have been getting and
error in my app,"CACHE error disk to slow", and
everything comes to an screeching halt.

A 4GB file limit is not a problem, for audio.

Audio people I talk to say FAT32 w/ 32K cluster size is
preferred. is 32K alocation unit size the same as a 32K
cluster sixe??????




>-----Original Message-----
>In article <7b2401c43136$cf68bf80$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>Al,
>>
>>Even for multi track audio recording, ie: 30 80mb files
>>streaming???
>>

>
>I don't know why not. Doesn't the fact that there is a

4GB/file limit
>in FAT32 make FAT32 a deadend for video editing ?
>
>File system copmpression is one if the underappreciated

features of
>NTFS. Turn the compression attribute on for the drive

(or folder(s))
>that have your data. It will trasparently compress and

decompress your
>data streams. I've been using it for 10 years, and seen

compressions
>as high as 20:1 (admitedly for huge, files that had

nothing but the
>numbers and whitespace.) The is no downside to

compression of files
>that are written or extended. Files that are updated

(ie databases)
>are not a good idea. It will work (I've done it) but

inserting data
>will get weird.
>
>Right Mouse Click/Properties on a file or folder and

will show you the
>size, and size on disk.
>
>
>
>>and what about
>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>>if
>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>>size?
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>>Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>>>>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way

around
>>>>this besides having to use Win98.
>>>>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to

use
>>>>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is

when
>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>>if
>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>>size?
>>>>
>>>>Please help
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Use NTFS.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Al Dykes
>>>-----------
>>>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>>>.
>>>

>
>
>--
>Al Dykes
>-----------
>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>.
>

 
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Al Dykes
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      3rd May 2004
In article <795801c43143$7dd6de60$(E-Mail Removed)>,
Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Well I am actually doing multi track audio not video.
>Example, I have 30 stereo audio tracks playing, each
>track is a different file, and I am recording on 2 tracks
>at the same time.
>Right now I am running NTFS, and I have been getting and
>error in my app,"CACHE error disk to slow", and
>everything comes to an screeching halt.
>
>A 4GB file limit is not a problem, for audio.



I assume you mean "cache too slow" If it's an error from your
application ask the vendor for a better explaination.

Look in event viewer to see if any hardware errors are being logged.
Run HDtach to see if the system is performing well enough.

Why do you think NTFS is at fault ? maybe yor disk is too slow.
I'll guess FAT32 would also have a problem.

Sorry to sound testy, sh*t happens, but if NTFS has a
problem/limitation it will be the first time I've seen a pure NTFS
screwup, and it's only been several thousand systems over more than 10
years, on some pretty dodgy hardware. No real-time systems
experience, though.

They used to sell "AV-rated" disks that could read or write
a non-stop data stream.

30 channels sounds heavy duty. You might be a candidate for
RAID 0 (disk stripping)






I've only been responible for

>
>Audio people I talk to say FAT32 w/ 32K cluster size is
>preferred. is 32K alocation unit size the same as a 32K
>cluster sixe??????
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>In article <7b2401c43136$cf68bf80$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>Al,
>>>
>>>Even for multi track audio recording, ie: 30 80mb files
>>>streaming???
>>>

>>
>>I don't know why not. Doesn't the fact that there is a

>4GB/file limit
>>in FAT32 make FAT32 a deadend for video editing ?
>>
>>File system copmpression is one if the underappreciated

>features of
>>NTFS. Turn the compression attribute on for the drive

>(or folder(s))
>>that have your data. It will trasparently compress and

>decompress your
>>data streams. I've been using it for 10 years, and seen

>compressions
>>as high as 20:1 (admitedly for huge, files that had

>nothing but the
>>numbers and whitespace.) The is no downside to

>compression of files
>>that are written or extended. Files that are updated

>(ie databases)
>>are not a good idea. It will work (I've done it) but

>inserting data
>>will get weird.
>>
>>Right Mouse Click/Properties on a file or folder and

>will show you the
>>size, and size on disk.
>>
>>
>>
>>>and what about
>>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,
>>>if
>>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster
>>>size?
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>>>Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>>>>>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way

>around
>>>>>this besides having to use Win98.
>>>>>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to

>use
>>>>>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is

>when
>>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,
>>>if
>>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster
>>>size?
>>>>>
>>>>>Please help
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Use NTFS.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Al Dykes
>>>>-----------
>>>>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>>>>.
>>>>

>>
>>
>>--
>>Al Dykes
>>-----------
>>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>>.
>>



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-----------
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      4th May 2004
Well mybee you are right, I created a 32Gb FAT32 Volume,
I will try this and if no luck looks like I will need to
go RAID 0.

Right now I am using ATA133 but have onbarod SATA RAID
that I am not using.




>-----Original Message-----
>In article <7b2401c43136$cf68bf80$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>Al,
>>
>>Even for multi track audio recording, ie: 30 80mb files
>>streaming???
>>

>
>I don't know why not. Doesn't the fact that there is a

4GB/file limit
>in FAT32 make FAT32 a deadend for video editing ?
>
>File system copmpression is one if the underappreciated

features of
>NTFS. Turn the compression attribute on for the drive

(or folder(s))
>that have your data. It will trasparently compress and

decompress your
>data streams. I've been using it for 10 years, and seen

compressions
>as high as 20:1 (admitedly for huge, files that had

nothing but the
>numbers and whitespace.) The is no downside to

compression of files
>that are written or extended. Files that are updated

(ie databases)
>are not a good idea. It will work (I've done it) but

inserting data
>will get weird.
>
>Right Mouse Click/Properties on a file or folder and

will show you the
>size, and size on disk.
>
>
>
>>and what about
>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>>if
>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>>size?
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>In article <795801c43133$5b3bb7f0$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>>Tim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Yes I am having the same problem in Win2K SP4, I need
>>>>volumes larger than 32GB. Is there another way

around
>>>>this besides having to use Win98.
>>>>Also I was told for multi track audio recording to

use
>>>>FAT32 with a 32K cluster size. Another question is

when
>>>>in the format window it ask for allocation unit size,

>>if
>>>>I select 32K does is this the same as a 32K cluster

>>size?
>>>>
>>>>Please help
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Use NTFS.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Al Dykes
>>>-----------
>>>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>>>.
>>>

>
>
>--
>Al Dykes
>-----------
>adykes at p a n i x . c o m
>.
>

 
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